Friday, April 22, 2011

The media and the campaign against corruption

That I am making this post surprises me very much.  Many years ago I decided that I will not pursue the French tradition of literary criticism and political theory, because at that time it seemed to me (and still does to an extent) that the French tradition is riddled with hair splitting that is probably counter productive to any meaningful strategies of social and political action.  Of all the people in the French tradition my greatest contempt has been for Jean Baudrillard whom I have seen as nothing but a wizard with words, somewhat like Jacque Derrida, but more pointedly so.  Time and life have compelled me to revisit this position of mine many times but I have been surprised by an obduracy that has only grudgingly accepted some of it as relevant but ultimately condemning the tradition as futile.  Yet again, I am somehow forced to revisit this position, by my memory of what I had studied. Which would prima facie mean that there is validity of what the tradition says and does, so what if people like Jean Baudrillard appear like nihilists (sometimes) and Derrida seems like a merchant cleverly selling his words and Foucault like a magician who conjures concepts that seem to be real but probably are not.  My relationship with Foucault (as his reader) has been less ambivalent, but I have always found it difficult to accept him in toto.  But by stretching this introduction so long I am probably wasting your time, but I crave your indulgence because even I do not know which way this post will go and how it will end.  It is my hope that I will clarify many of my own confusions and uncertainties as I write.  So all this is a defence of what may come up has contradictions in thinking or lack of authenticity in statements that I make and maybe even the total lack of any clarity.

I am sure that the header that I put is a dead give away of my intentions.  And if you dear reader are assuming that this blog is a space that I use to flog to death issues circulating in the public sphere you are right.  But me being whoever I am cannot resist this fatal temptation and therefore time after time I gladly succumb to it.  As a small little preface to this piece let me go where no social scientist has gone before, to look at the intentions of the person who started this whole thing.  I am trying to understand Anna Hazare's intent and by that I don't mean that I am searching for his motivations in taking up his fast and if there was something more than meets the eye, something sinister which is being camouflaged this larger fight against corruption (there are enough conspiracy theories floating around and there is no need for me to add to those, though I can tell you honestly that I do not have one).  I am looking at the actions that he chose and the target of his actions.  His action is undertaking a fast against corruption, and his target the government which is doing nothing about corruption and is in fact most times the perpetrator of this corruption.  So Hazare takes up a fast in Delhi since that is where all the action is with the help of a few supporters and friends such as The Bhushans, Kiran Bedi, Kejriwal, Swami Agnivesh, Baba Ramdev etc.  This is where I ask myself a question.  Did Hazare even want the popular surge that happened or did he even anticipate it?  If his actions after the breaking up of the fast are taken into consideration and they should be, the answer can be not necessary.  Let me elaborate.  Can way say that Hazare wanted a revolution, a change of guard, a replacement of the present form of governance?  It doesn't seem that he wanted something like this.  His idea was to create this office of the Jan Lokpal who would watch the government and its agencies with an eagle eye and provide redressal for grievances when faced with corruption. His actions in choosing members of his support group as members of the drafting committee shows that his notion of "civil society" is not broad based but is confined to a few.

So where does this leave the normally phlegmatic middle classes' enthusiasm for this fight against corruption?  What of all the posts on Facebook, articles such these on blogs, candle light vigils, silent marches, celebratory rock shows and token fasts that the middle classes took to?  The brutal reality is that it is all a side show, a mere accessory to the main story and sometimes not even that.  Facebook, the blogosphere,. TV, newspapers are all media.  While the first two are the darlings of the self conscious literati the latter two are driven by the urge to be relevant and sell for better ratings.  So what started off as an activity perhaps of the few (and I say this confidently because apart from a perfunctory thanks, Hazare did nothing more) gained huge proportions like a swelling.  I have said Hazare did nothing more than extending thanks because there was no attempt made by him to enlarge the group of people from "civil society" (do we presume that the rest are uncouth and uncivil).  The only addition to the group has been people representing the government, people such as Kapil Sibal and Digvijay Singh.  For me this is a party of two groups slugging it out with each other for the formulation of a bill which will later on be imposed on the rest of the population and it will have to be accepted as manna from heaven.  I am not sure if this is what I want.  Anyone who has been reading my blog will know that I have been championing the cause of deliberative democracy which is broad based and this does not fit that bill.  But please treat that as an aside since that is not the main purpose of this post.

What I am trying to look at here is the role of the media.  The question is does the media facilitate a revolution or does it actually quell it?  When this question came up in my mind, the answer came up from my memory of the afore mentioned French tradition.  Let me take you to the now famous uprising in France in the year 1968 and also to Baudrillard's characterization of it.  For Baudrillard this uprising which seemed to be the unity of workers and students was anything but that and that is why it failed.  He talked about how the purpose of the workers was different from that of the students who were only looking for better quality education and other conditions that could not be made sense of by the workers. In his book entitled "For a Critique of the Political Economy of the Sign" wrote a chapter which he called "Requiem for the Media" in which he said and I quote "..at a given time in a given place, an act of radical rupture was invented - or..a particular response was invented there, where the institutions of administration and pedagogical power were engaged in a private oratoria and functioned precisely to interdict any answer".  That is quite eloquent and it needs no further assistance from me.

However, I will take this to yet another concern of mine which has been articulated through this blog.  When trying to understand the "student revolution" for a separate Telangana which was as much a media thing one will have to take the same arguments into consideration.  What if even that is just private engagement which will only let down the aspirations of the students?  I suspect it is just that and it will undoubtedly let down the aspirations of the students.  The students are fighting not just for a separate state but also for their livelihood and survival.  The education system has let them down drastically in not preparing them for employment and better life.  They will be marginalized in the "oratoria" between politicians and will function for politicians while functioning to interdict any meaningful gains for students.  That is why I am pessimistic and deeply suspicious of anything involving the media and here I rest my case.  

Tuesday, April 19, 2011

My thoughts on Anna Hazare's movement and various other issues

Who is Anna Hazare and what are his motivations?

I am going to keep this brief.  I still have no opinion on who or what Anna Hazare is.  All I will say is that in this day and age where manipulation of public opinion is easily carried out, I will remain a sceptic, though I will not say that Hazare is a pawn in somebody's hand.  It is sad that we have reached a stage in India where we are compelled to doubt everyone, even those whose credentials are perhaps impeccable.  Coming to Anna Hazare, his life is not very public and he keeps making these sporadic appearances fighting or claiming to fight corruption.  I am aware that the media has been going crazy reporting the simplicity of the man who lives in a temple, has no bank account and all that.  Fine, but for me that is not adequate to establish someone's credentials.  Not having a bank account for me is not equivalent to not having money, or living in a temple does not necessarily mean anything more than that.  I have had an great grand aunt who lived and died in a temple but she was a casteist to the marrow of her bone and kept money in her pillow cover.  This is not to say Anna Hazare is that, but only to point out the reason for my scepticism. Another reason why I am little sceptical about Hazare is the fact that he somehow felt compelled to say good things about Narendra Modi and Nitish Kumar.  For someone fighting corruption, where was the necessity to give conduct certificates selectively to two politicians?  And the ease with which he said that he does not condone the genocide that the Modi government had perpetrated on some innocent people in Gujarat is something that makes me even more sceptical.  He says he is a follower of Gandhi and I know for sure Gandhi would never have tolerated what Modi does and says.  Can you say that someone who has been party to mass murder of hundreds of people can be given a good conduct certificate in other matters? The other people involved in the movement, Arvind Kejriwal, The father and son Bhushans and (Baba) Ramdev have known political ideologies and to me those militate against the beliefs of the Mahatma.  So to be associated with them and still call oneself a Gandhian is to me an indication of dishonesty or lack of understanding of who Gandhi was.  That Mahatma's name and his method of protest the Satyagraha are not his only credentials.  Satyagraha demands exemplary conduct, not just fasting.  In India, fasting has become a farce with people like K. Chandrashekar Rao, N T Rama Rao, Rajiv Gandhi, M G Ramachandran and even Narendra Modi have used it as a weapon to get what they wanted.  And what they wanted was not always legitimate.  So I continue to remain sceptical, because for the Mahatma the means and the people whom you associated with were as important as the ends itself.  It is here that I have my doubts, but that does not mean I am casting aspersions on Hazare, it is just that I am keeping my judgement reserved.

I will not be surprised if I find myself hating Hyderabad

Anyone who knows me, knows that Hyderabad is the end all and be all of my life (apart from family, profession etc).  But the Hyderabad that I see in the last few years is beginning to get on my nerves.  It has become a city that only inconveniences the common people.  You may ask what brought this on.  In the last one week I have twice spent hours in traffic jams.  First time it was on Ambedkar Jayanti and the second time it was yesterday on Hanuman Jayanti.  Huge processions were taken out on both days leading to traffic gridlocks and making people inch their way to their destinations.  That too in the heat of the summer.  There are processions for everything by everyone.  The Hindus want processions and idol immersions for Ganesh Navratri and Durga Navaratri and now even for Hanuman Jayanti.  The Muslims have processions called the Pankha Jhuloos and starting this year processions on Milad un Nabi.  Apart from the main processions you have people on two wheelers marauding their way through traffic waving saffron or green flags and generally shouting abuse.  The Dalits want things on Ambedkar's birthday.  Until a few years ago Ambekdar Jayanti was celebrated near the Ambedkar Statue with a few hundred people coming and paying homage to the great man and dispersing by about noon.  Now there are thousands of people, huge speeches and by the time everything is over it is at least eight in the evening.  Youngsters and oldsters carry blue flags on two wheelers and in Jeeps and Vans and trucks and roam around the city.  And just add the number of bandhs and public processions in the name of Telangana, Andhra and Rayalseema, and you will see what inconvenience people are put to.  That is why I wonder if I can still love Hyderabad the way I do, in the future.

KCR and Brahmins

Everyone knows how much TRS Chief KCR loves controversy.  A few days ago he conducted a Chandi Yagam for the gaining of a separate Telangana state.  He being the person that he is felt it necessary to come out with stupid utterances like Telangana Brahmins are more pious, conscientious  and sincere whereas the Andhra Brahmins were all show and into amassing wealth without having any of the three things that I have mentioned above.  These are the kind of statements that one laughs at, but no, not the Brahmins.  Brahmins in Vizag, did "Pinda Pradhan" to KCR (this is a ritual carried out for the dead) and protested wherever possible.  The opportunist news channels that cannot let go of anything controversial took to this like fish to water.  One of them ABN-Andhra Jyoti went to have a discussion on this with phone ins as well.  I stumbled upon this by sheer chance and it was really hilarious to see Brahmins of different regions fighting each other on the basis of KCR's statements.  What happened to those days when people fought the stupidities and cruelties of Brahminism and Brahmins?  What is becoming of this country and state?

KCR, Velamas, Reddys and the separate Telangana State

Today's Times of India carried an interesting headline.  Before I go there, let me tell you that I read the Times for reasons of entertainment and would not use it even to clean my posterior orifice after the morning ablution.  Today the headline story was about how Union Minister Jaipal Reddy and State Home Minister Sabitha Indra Reddy have drafted in the services of the Coordinator of the Political Joint Action Committee for the realisation of a separate Telangana state, Prof. Kodandaram Reddy.  The papers claim that the minority Velama community to which KCR belongs will hijack the benefits of a separate Telangana since he is monopolising the agitation.  So the Reddy politicians who represent a bigger community have come together to ensure that they get the bigger piece of the pie.  So reports Times of India.  It also says the BC groups are against both the upper caste groups.  While all this is not outside the realm of the possible or probable, I am shocked by a newspaper making this the main article of the day.  Whatever happened to responsible journalism?

Monday, April 11, 2011

To fight corruption first let us look at ourselves

Anti - corruption movement (actually I am not sure if it can be called a movement but for the lack of a better term I use it, rather loosely) seemed to have captured the imagination of the tech savvy middle class and that means that most people who are behind it are young people.  Which is good, because it is the young who will not only inherit the legacy of today in the future, but also because they have usually have more enthusiasm and energy to pursue something to its logical conclusion.  Having said that I will have to say that it is sad that a septuagenarian had to wake up the young. Equally sad is the desire of the people to be happy saying what they want on Facebook and taking up symbolic fasts in the privacy of their homes.  To me however, the saddest and most alarming thing is the way that corruption is being defined by everybody in this country including Anna Hazare and the other self-appointed members of the civil society groups.  Now that push has come to shove these people who have been in the "front" of the movement have decided to form committees and make themselves members of those committees.  For all the hype and hoopla around this and the idea that it is to teach politicians a lesson, I am a little non-plussed by the fact that this is not something devoid of politicians.  Shanti Bhushan and Swami Agnivesh come to mind immediately.  To me the presence of such people is always an indication of an open door for realpolitik to enter into what is essentially a watchdog office.  Think of Baba Ramdev who has now become anti-corruption activist from being a yoga and medicine guru.  He has not talking about why people should not take atovarstatin for reducing cholesterol and how yoga and pranayama will take care of most life style diseases.  One must understand that for all his attempts to portray himself as otherwise, he is a deeply entrenched conservative at heart and in mind.  Tendencies such as these can be used by politicians to make the office of the Jan Lokpal their own.  When the father - son duo of lawyers play a significant role in the drafting of such bills you have to be concerned that understanding the office of the Lokpal will be very much a game of understanding legalities something that most common people are not equipped with.

More than the points that I have raised, it is the definition of corruption that is a cause of concern.  All parties who have identified themselves with this issue and movement are looking at it from a "self-righteous" perch and therefore without an iota of introspection have trained their attention on the "wrong doing other" which happens to be the politicians and the bureaucracy.  In this case the "righteous self" is the injured party that has been enduring the "collective wrong doing of the other" and has therefore been a victim of deprivation.  Deprivation is only monetary terms.  It is the middle class which is complaining of how money that is due to us is being usurped by politicians and how the rich and the famous, not to speak of the ignoble politician and the bureaucrat, do not pay taxes while we work so hard and hardly have anything to spend on ourselves because we have to pay most of our earnings in taxes.  This self-righteous middle class which refuses to introspect will only see corruption at the level of the Commonwealth Games, the Adarsh Society scam, IPL etc.  When they have to see corruption at the lower levels it is always the traffic policeman, the property bill collector, or some small government functionary.  The big picture which is in the middle is conveniently missed and it is here that corruption of the most dangerous variety exists.

I say that this corruption of the most dangerous variety because it is here that the rot starts and spreads through out society.  Everybody wants to send their children to the best possible schools and there is always a list of such schools readily available.  Obviously when every child cannot secure admission in those schools the self-righteous middle class person feels quite happy to activate"contacts" who can "facilitate" admission.  Capitation fee or donations are fine as long as the coveted admission is secured.  Everybody wants their children to becoming doctors or engineers (in the developed parts of the country) and they will go to any extent to secure that crucial admission.  Anything from "putting in a word to donation" is acceptable to the middle classes.  So the middle class that I am talking of comprises mainly of non-government employees, because the government employee is the "corrupted other" who seeks bribes and is incompetent, even the person is from the same stratum of society.  While this is true to an extent, I believe one who abets corruption in any form is also a corrupt person.  People do not wear helmets and seat belts while driving or will use a cell phone.  When stopped they will be quite happy to pay a bribe but will complain about corruption.  Look at the roads on any Indian cities.  How many people wear helmets and how many are driving with the cell phone to their ear when they are even riding a scooter or motorcycle leave alone cars?  How many actually run red lights because they have no patience to wait for the light to turn green?  How many regularly insure their vehicles diligently every year? How many people segregate their garbage into bio-degradable and non bio-degradable?  How many spit on the roads and litter where they please?  Isn't it possible that this behaviour and lack of responsibility nurtures various forms of culture at lower and middle levels of society?

I have touched upon the subject of education already.  Let me now spend sometime talking about it.  The Indian education system is definitely among the most corrupt and inefficient in the world.  At the primary school level admission is available to the upper and middle strata of society in urban areas.  Very little is available in rural areas and definitely not to the poorer strata.  The self-righteous middle class person does not feel the necessity to understand that he/she has a responsibility towards society, country and fellow citizens.  That is why when higher educational institutions are also slowly going to the dogs.  While everybody sees corruption at the level of appointment of Vice-Chancellors to universities, they conveniently overlook the corruption at the level of appointment of teachers and other personnel in the universities.  Most universities in the country have people who should be behind bars masquerading as teachers.  What of those who flout all rules and regulations in the name of caste, religion, region and any other discrimination?  It is alarming that people such as these are also today crying hoarse about corruption.

My point is not to say that there is no need for the Jan Lokpal Bill or that the politicians and the bureaucrats should be allowed to go free.  By all means this is a legitimate battle and needs to be fought.  But concentration only it this level will mean that the battle will be won briefly and then things will slowly return to the normal (read that as corruption).  After all public memory is short and we will only wake up when someone will again start a movement for whatever reason.  I am therefore saying that the Indian citizen, especially the middle class Indian citizen has a great need for introspection.  That will show how and why we also aid and abet corruption.  It will also show why it grows to the proportions that it does.  Till then any exercise is one in futility; one that will benefit the Bhushans, the Kejriwals, the Agniveshes, the Ramdevs and the like by providing them with ready platforms for self perpetuation.  The publicity hungry celebrities from the tinsel world will also get into condemning corruption while they are probably sitting on it themselves.  My request is please think a little before you jump into something or in this case at something.

P.S: Wonder where Arundhati Roy is?
P.P.S. Have not proof read.  Please excuse errors of syntax and spelling.  Thank you.

Saturday, April 9, 2011

Corruption and Anna Hazare: The debate on Facebook



  • I am putting up a debate that took place on Facebook in response to the piece that I have posted in the blog about Anna Hazare and his anti-corruption effort.  I thought it would be pertinent here.  I have also followed this debate with another one in which I participated over what was said by my friend Kartik.  For purposes of transparency I have posted them as they were with no corrections of any kind.
    Cynthia Govada Sir, Is the system corrupt or are we corrupting it? In your case, if the RTA officials have done their duty on time, you wouldn't have bribed them.
    Friday at 12:16pm · 
  • A. V. Satish Chandra 
    To be not corrupt when everything is fine is easy. If I am really anti-corruption and have great moral integrity in that matter, I would then have gone through the difficulties created by the RTA and not bribed them. But the fact that I c...See More
    Friday at 6:03pm · 
  • Palak Kumar sir its really nice...............
    Friday at 8:42pm · 
  • Ravi Kaza absolutely right, all corruption is not about money. setting easy papers just not to have trouble is intellectual corruption?
    Friday at 10:03pm · 
  • Sangeeta Phukan The way it looks Mr Hazare is espousing a cause which is not accountable to anybody. That's certainly not a good thing. And I don't agree that Indians are interested in P3 non sense there are too many news channels to prove that we want news and more. Of course we get masala news is another matter. If you have seen Peepli live you will know what I mean.
    Yesterday at 2:37am · 
  • A. V. Satish Chandra Kaza bhai, setting easy papers to avoid trouble is more moral corruption than intellectual corruption. Sangeeta, I am not saying all Indians are interested in P3. But many are. P3 is all about masala as are most newschannels (by your own admission) we like things to be "corrupted" by masala. That is what I am trying to say.
    Yesterday at 8:16am · 
  • Ravi Kaza yep! your morality and their intellect?
    Yesterday at 8:20am · 
  • A. V. Satish Chandra Right
    Yesterday at 8:43am · 
  • Sanjay Pulipaka 
    Sir…. the alleged corruption that you indulged in – giving bribes but never taking it (or giving very easy questions to students) …..don’t you think it was done under duress and hence, can it be considered as corruption ( a dishonest/fraudu...See More
    Yesterday at 9:23am · 
  • A. V. Satish Chandra 
    Sanjay, being under duress is no reason for corruption. It is like justifying theft because somebody is hungry. You have quoted the Mahatma. He had moral courage. I can say I will have the moral integrity to not drive a vehicle if the l...See More
    23 hours ago · 
  • Vijay Vadrevou ‎@ Satish- the bribe giver is giving because a situation has been created to make the giver give. A simple example is the way we book our train tickets. The net has eliminated the very reason to go through a line or through a broker. Therefore the first step is to work out processes which eliminate the reason to ask
    23 hours ago · 
  • Ravi Kaza 
    ‎@Vijay : I would haul up the bribe giver first. The most visible corruption is of the much maligned Traffic cop. In 99 /100 cases, the bribe giver to avoid a Rs 500 fine offers an easy way out, I am yet to find a cop who has refused the f...See More
    22 hours ago · 
  • Sanjay Pulipaka 
    Sir ….. when an Indian visits the US/West he drives properly. I think that’s because the institutional frameworks (rules and regulations) are pretty tight. However, the same individual tends to behave differently in India. I think we need ...See More
    21 hours ago · 
  • Vijay Vadrevou 
    ‎@Kaza - Tell me if the cop was strict and not malleable would the giver even think about it? The first indications that " I am open" is what makes the giver give. Take the RTA for instance- they have removed touts/brokers from the premise...See More
    21 hours ago · 
  • Vijay Vadrevou 
    ‎@Kaza- yup ignorance too goes a long way. Most often than not the cop inflates the challan amount to make you jittery and make you make an offer and there in starts the well oiled process of corruption. I give you my own example of how a P...See More
    21 hours ago · 
  • A. V. Satish Chandra ‎@Sanjay and Vijay, I think we are getting into the classic dilemma of which comes first, the bribe giving or the bribe taking. To me that is unimportant. What is important is that I repeatedly succumb to it because I do not want inconvenience in life and that makes in the least and abettor of corruption but I would prefer to say corrupt.
    16 hours ago · 
  • N Anuj Rao Corruption is a way of Life anna, the romans did it, Mughals did it..its only human to find an 'easier way' with the resources available. The way to eliminate corruption is to remove the source that causes all of this - Money.
    15 hours ago · 
  • Ravi Kaza ‎@VIJAY : Circumstances created impelled the bribe is a weak line of defence. It is almost akin to be hauled up for raping a whore and pleading acquittal by stating " my lord , her morals and character were loose"? @ Anuj :" is money the cause of corruption or the availabilty of money easily / or say lack of it "?
    15 hours ago · 
  • N Anuj Rao ‎@ Ravi: The idea is to sustain Humanity with the resources available, money is not solving that problem at all. The very fact that people eat and throw food in one part of the world and some starve in another part even though theres enough 'money' to feed the entire planet says that not India but the World as a whole and humanity is 'corrupt'.
    15 hours ago · 
  • Ravi Kaza Chalam sang what you are stating 40 years ago " unnavaadiki tinde aragadhu, leni wadiki tinde dorakadu"?
    15 hours ago · 
  • Vijay Vadrevou ‎@kaza- I am not defending anything. While both are guilty,it is the system that allows corruption that should be arrested. And the argument of the whore is ridiculous because you go to one because she is taking money and giving. Unless of course one is a pervert to rape a whore
    3 hours ago · 
  • Vijay Vadrevou ‎@anuj bhai - one more famous song from "bandipotu" - dhanamera annitiki moolam.
    3 hours ago ·  ·  1 person
  • Ravi Kaza ‎@vIJAY : Ridiculous? You bribed coz he was taking and giving what you were wanting, right? Under PITA , both are arrested.
    about an hour ago · 




    The Following is a debate from a post of my friend Kartikeya.  I have participated in it and therefore I have put it here.






    So Anna Hazare become yesterday's news ? No one seems to have anything to say anymore. My question is - where's your anger ?
    Friday at 11:19am ·  · 
      • Rishi Raj Sethi IPL is on...Media switches its attention... The anger of common man is gonna live / die with him. Cause/initiatives/ppl will come and go but we will not change... i have given up and i am sure most are like me.
        Friday at 5:27pm · 
      • Deepak Shah Sacheeeeeeeeen......Sachin!!!
        Friday at 6:45pm · 
      • Kartik Kompella ‎@rishi - since when did you start giving up ? Keep the faith
        Friday at 8:09pm · 
      • Ramanan Subramani What is the best that can be done?
        Friday at 8:45pm · 
      • Kartik Kompella Stay focused, keep tweeting and messaging. I may be heading to freedom park tomorrow.
        Friday at 9:11pm · 
      • Kartik Kompella It's about building pressure. Don't forget this is the chance to fight and if anna doesn't give up fasting after 4 days then how do we stop supporting him from the well fed comfort of our homes?
        Friday at 9:22pm · 
      • Aruna Sateesh Anna Hazare's page of FB had 50,000 fans yesterday. Today it has jumped to 80,000. Not all are watching cricket!
        Friday at 9:33pm · 
      • Ramanan Subramani On the contrary am beginning to think why Anna hazare had to wait so long to make thelokpal effort public?? Any views or answers?
        Yesterday at 8:29am · 
      • A. V. Satish Chandra 
        I have said this in my blog and I am saying it here again. We are just being sheep. Kartik you don't even know what is in the Jan Lokpal bill. Yet you are supporting. Its like the four legs good and two legs bad thing in Animal Farm. I...See More
        Yesterday at 8:42am · 
      • Ramanan Subramani 
        still intrigues me as you say :) But yeah I would agree with you. Why are people suddenly waking up? We are sheep no doubt. But we have leaders but did we require a septagenarian to wakeup to young issues! Issues that can be treated by the...See More
        Yesterday at 8:59am · 
      • Kartik Kompella 
        ‎@Satish - I've read what the bill is in short not the bill itself. I don't think anyone gets everything right first up. But getting the basic direction right is the first step which creating an anti-corruption bill. I know that there need ...See More
        Yesterday at 9:39am · 
      • Kartik Kompella ‎@Ramanan - I think we were fortunate that so many large scams got unveiled together in such quick succession. If we weren't jolted by CWG, Adarsh and 2G at one go we would probably not have reacted to Anna so positively. I think the moment picked itself in a manner of speaking. The size and frequency of the scams set the stage and the support.
        Yesterday at 9:44am · 
      • Ramanan Subramani 
        I agree with you kartik. My question is, did we require such a magnitude to realize the problems? Have we not been living with such and kinds from the time of Bofors, Harshad Mehta, and many more of the likes? Why wake up now? (I understand...See More
        Yesterday at 9:50am · 
      • Kartik Kompella ‎@Ramanan - you're right we are like this only - we need a jhatka for us to react. I hope that the Lokpal bill will be framed in a way that makes it easier for people to file cases. The politicians will want to make it as tough as possible that's why the civil society wants to get involved in drafting the bill. I think the news of the scams have died down and the protest served to rekindle the discussion.
        Yesterday at 10:06am · 
      • A. V. Satish Chandra 
        ‎@ Ramanan, perhaps we are being a little too cynical. Kartik is right. The moment has arrived with many mega scams happening within short notice. But then this is not the first time that Anna Hazare is fighting against corruption and all...See More
        23 hours ago ·  ·  1 person
      • Vijay Vadrevou As long as we vent our so called anger on social networks and care a fuck about really going out and doing something, the likes of Anna Hazare will always be yesterday's news
        23 hours ago ·  ·  2 people
      • Vijay Vadrevou And as Satish has pointed out, what the fuck is the point if half the Lok Pal is filled with the govt, to start with Pranab Mukherjee, the trusted luccha and chamcha of the lady is going to be the Chair Person
        23 hours ago · 
      • Kartik Kompella ‎@Vijay - it's a time to celebrate - the bands are rocking Freedom Park in Bangalore. Let's go out and sing.
        23 hours ago · 
      • Kartik Kompella Vijay Vadrevou - one thing at a time - it's better than 10 politicians on a non-existent committee. We inch forward slowly.
        23 hours ago ·  ·  1 person
      • Kartik Kompella ‎@Satish - even Confucius said that if men lived by morals they would not be able to do wrong for they would not be able to live with themselves. I think reducing corruption will reduce moral corruption and the temptation to do wrong. But I may be mistaken.
        23 hours ago · 
      • Vijay Vadrevou Thats the problem with this country - everyone and everything is slow- except the population growth
        23 hours ago · 
      • Kartik Kompella Rishi Raj Sethi - happy endings ? :)
        23 hours ago · 
      • Ramanan Subramani 
        ‎@vijay we are wondering abt what the fuck to do to make this lokpal a veritable truth. Expressing my solidarity with people at a park or with a candle is not gonna help for sure. I signed the awaaz petition to prime minister. Now I seek to...See More
        22 hours ago · 
      • Ramanan Subramani ‎@Satish the great migration is a natural phenomenon. Driven by brutal living instincts - Need for water and food. I guess we shouldn't be herds or tribes. We should be those individuals making reformations. Again as an angey young man I wud love to know how I can make a diff.
        22 hours ago · 
      • Ramanan Subramani My irjpritatons are. Reflection of the callousness by seniors I see at work too...... I sincerely seek suggestions....
        22 hours ago · 
      • Vijay Vadrevou ‎@Satish - Scams have been happening since the time we've got independence - The first major scam was during the Nehru era when they procured Jeeps for the army.
        21 hours ago · 
      • A. V. Satish Chandra Ramanan, I too am saying that we should not be living by instinct alone. We should have ratiocination and deliberation to stop us from sinking in the Masai Mara or being eaten up by the hungry crocodiles.
        16 hours ago · 
      • Ramanan Subramani ‎:) so now what can we do. I dont want to be a participant. I wanna be an action man. Any suggestions?
        16 hours ago · 
      • Rishi Raj Sethi Sir this is just the begining, i still say the same, today we are supporting this against corruption, tomm this would have its own kick-back...nobody is above the law and by supporting this we are actually fucking the system...but lets see...
        10 hours ago · 


        Here is a third thread in which I once again participated.  Initiated by Kartik Kompella


        36000 people like India Against Corruption out of lakhs of Indians on FB ? For a country that cribs about corruption - the enthusiasm to support the fight doesn't even extend to a like !
        April 6 at 5:47pm ·  · 
        • 2 people like this.
          • Prashant Ramamurthy Way to go Sir!
            April 6 at 5:51pm · 
          • Sangeeta Iyer You know, this is one of the areas where i feel actions speak louder than words? i signed up for 'i paid a bribe.com' and then was wondering how it makes sense unless one actually does something. So currently thinking about the action plan...
            April 6 at 6:01pm ·  ·  1 person
          • Kartik Kompella I think at this time it's about supporting the movement and building pressure. A million likes will add weight behind the people who are doing more serious stuff. It's like cheering our team
            April 6 at 7:38pm · 
          • Ramanan Subramani 
            Well have you given it a thought about how many of those lakhs of indians on FB are actually active? How many fake profiles and how many do goto social causes on social networking!?

            Unfortunate truth - finding girls, networking and dating i...See More
            April 6 at 11:59pm · 
          • A. V. Satish Chandra Kartikeyan, the problem is that corruption is such an integral part of life that it does not shock people nor does it galvanize them into doing something about it. Its like people urinating on the road. Nobody looks that way and nobody is overtly concerned by those things. Anna Hazare is doing a great job, but in the end it will come to nothing. So let it be.
            Thursday at 8:54am ·  ·  1 person
          • Ramanan Subramani ‎@AVS Chandra, have heard a lot about you and saw your blog too. I guess small drops maketh a bg ocean. Small change will result in a big one. Will be great to see people like you influencing youngsters to bring about the change we seek to see through you writing and blogs.
            Thursday at 11:11am ·  ·  1 person
          • Kartik Kompella ‎@Satish - Public action is working positively and you are cynical - when public action works negatively in Telengana you are pained - either way it is a lose lose situation. Don't you think you should feel happy that people are trying for things to improve ?
            Thursday at 11:35am ·  ·  2 people
          • Ramanan Subramani If not doing, atleast supporting something they seek as a change!
            Thursday at 11:36am · 
          • Sangeeta Iyer way to go, Kartik - that's a landmark change :) :)
            Thursday at 11:37am · 
          • Kartik Kompella ‎@Sangeeta - it's time to get involved :) :)
            Thursday at 11:39am · 
          • Ramanan Subramani Are we discussing corupSHUN??
            Thursday at 11:41am ·  ·  1 person
          • Ramanan Subramani sorry for the typos, i have a really bad sticky keyboard....
            Thursday at 11:42am · 
          • Sangeeta Iyer i already did - earlier was just wondering what more to DO rather than just SAY...
            Thursday at 11:43am · 
          • Kartik Kompella ‎@Sangeeta - I didn't mean that - I meant my attitude is because I felt that it is time to get involved ! :)
            Thursday at 11:45am ·  ·  1 person
          • Prashant Ramamurthy 
            Kartik Kompellai This is what I call middle class apathy. Stuck somewhere between mundane middle class values and ‘moving-the-life’ as a good friend often calls it. On the one hand we desperately seek change and on the other, we are reconc...See More
            Thursday at 11:50am ·  ·  3 people
          • Kartik Kompella Prashant Ramamurthy 36000 likes 17 hours ago went up to 69000 likes now. We've got the beginning of a movement on our hands !
            Thursday at 12:16pm · 
          • Sangeeta Iyer Reality bites, Prashant! Now it's time to snap back at it.
            Thursday at 12:17pm · 
          • Prashant Ramamurthy Sangeeta Iyer Unfortunately, this also represents the character of society. It has come down to total apathy, total disdain and a total disregard for fellow countrymen. I am pained to draw comparisons with the Japanese society and their exemplary show of character and strength during the worst ever disaster. There are many things that need to learn...
            Thursday at 12:24pm · 
          • Sangeeta Iyer Agree, Prashant, but at least we've made a beginning!
            Thursday at 12:26pm ·  ·  1 person
          • Prashant Ramamurthy ‎\m/
            Thursday at 12:26pm · 
          • Kartik Kompella Prashant Ramamurthy - I'm searching for hope ! If India doesn't rise to fight something as basic as corruption at a time when fortunately all scams have erupted together then we never will !
            Thursday at 12:27pm · 
          • Prashant Ramamurthy totally agree. \m/ keeping the faith brother!
            Thursday at 12:28pm · 
          • A. V. Satish Chandra 
            ‎@Kartikeyan, You are mistaken if you think there is such a thing as public opinion in favour of a separate Telangana. In India there are no ways available to actually gauge public opinion so no one really knows. It could be this or it cou...See More
            Thursday at 8:03pm · 
          • Nelson Carvalho Click here to stand with Anna Hazare and tackle corruption!
            Sign the petition for the #Lokpal bill! Click: http://avaaz.org/lokpal#annahazare #corruption