I am putting up a debate that took place on Facebook in response to the piece that I have posted in the blog about Anna Hazare and his anti-corruption effort. I thought it would be pertinent here. I have also followed this debate with another one in which I participated over what was said by my friend Kartik. For purposes of transparency I have posted them as they were with no corrections of any kind.
Cynthia Govada Sir, Is the system corrupt or are we corrupting it? In your case, if the RTA officials have done their duty on time, you wouldn't have bribed them.Friday at 12:16pm ·
A. V. Satish ChandraTo be not corrupt when everything is fine is easy. If I am really anti-corruption and have great moral integrity in that matter, I would then have gone through the difficulties created by the RTA and not bribed them. But the fact that I c...See MoreFriday at 6:03pm ·
Ravi Kaza absolutely right, all corruption is not about money. setting easy papers just not to have trouble is intellectual corruption?Friday at 10:03pm ·
Sangeeta Phukan The way it looks Mr Hazare is espousing a cause which is not accountable to anybody. That's certainly not a good thing. And I don't agree that Indians are interested in P3 non sense there are too many news channels to prove that we want news and more. Of course we get masala news is another matter. If you have seen Peepli live you will know what I mean.Yesterday at 2:37am ·- A. V. Satish Chandra Kaza bhai, setting easy papers to avoid trouble is more moral corruption than intellectual corruption. Sangeeta, I am not saying all Indians are interested in P3. But many are. P3 is all about masala as are most newschannels (by your own admission) we like things to be "corrupted" by masala. That is what I am trying to say.Yesterday at 8:16am ·
Sanjay PulipakaSir…. the alleged corruption that you indulged in – giving bribes but never taking it (or giving very easy questions to students) …..don’t you think it was done under duress and hence, can it be considered as corruption ( a dishonest/fraudu...See MoreYesterday at 9:23am ·- A. V. Satish ChandraSanjay, being under duress is no reason for corruption. It is like justifying theft because somebody is hungry. You have quoted the Mahatma. He had moral courage. I can say I will have the moral integrity to not drive a vehicle if the l...See More23 hours ago ·
Vijay Vadrevou @ Satish- the bribe giver is giving because a situation has been created to make the giver give. A simple example is the way we book our train tickets. The net has eliminated the very reason to go through a line or through a broker. Therefore the first step is to work out processes which eliminate the reason to ask23 hours ago ·- Sanjay PulipakaSir ….. when an Indian visits the US/West he drives properly. I think that’s because the institutional frameworks (rules and regulations) are pretty tight. However, the same individual tends to behave differently in India. I think we need ...See More21 hours ago ·
- Vijay Vadrevou@Kaza - Tell me if the cop was strict and not malleable would the giver even think about it? The first indications that " I am open" is what makes the giver give. Take the RTA for instance- they have removed touts/brokers from the premise...See More21 hours ago ·
- Vijay Vadrevou@Kaza- yup ignorance too goes a long way. Most often than not the cop inflates the challan amount to make you jittery and make you make an offer and there in starts the well oiled process of corruption. I give you my own example of how a P...See More21 hours ago ·
- A. V. Satish Chandra @Sanjay and Vijay, I think we are getting into the classic dilemma of which comes first, the bribe giving or the bribe taking. To me that is unimportant. What is important is that I repeatedly succumb to it because I do not want inconvenience in life and that makes in the least and abettor of corruption but I would prefer to say corrupt.16 hours ago ·
N Anuj Rao Corruption is a way of Life anna, the romans did it, Mughals did it..its only human to find an 'easier way' with the resources available. The way to eliminate corruption is to remove the source that causes all of this - Money.15 hours ago ·- Ravi Kaza @VIJAY : Circumstances created impelled the bribe is a weak line of defence. It is almost akin to be hauled up for raping a whore and pleading acquittal by stating " my lord , her morals and character were loose"? @ Anuj :" is money the cause of corruption or the availabilty of money easily / or say lack of it "?15 hours ago ·
- N Anuj Rao @ Ravi: The idea is to sustain Humanity with the resources available, money is not solving that problem at all. The very fact that people eat and throw food in one part of the world and some starve in another part even though theres enough 'money' to feed the entire planet says that not India but the World as a whole and humanity is 'corrupt'.15 hours ago ·
- Ravi Kaza Chalam sang what you are stating 40 years ago " unnavaadiki tinde aragadhu, leni wadiki tinde dorakadu"?15 hours ago ·
- Vijay Vadrevou @kaza- I am not defending anything. While both are guilty,it is the system that allows corruption that should be arrested. And the argument of the whore is ridiculous because you go to one because she is taking money and giving. Unless of course one is a pervert to rape a whore3 hours ago ·
- Vijay Vadrevou @anuj bhai - one more famous song from "bandipotu" - dhanamera annitiki moolam.3 hours ago · · 1 person
- Ravi Kaza @vIJAY : Ridiculous? You bribed coz he was taking and giving what you were wanting, right? Under PITA , both are arrested.about an hour ago ·
The Following is a debate from a post of my friend Kartikeya. I have participated in it and therefore I have put it here.
Saturday, April 9, 2011
Corruption and Anna Hazare: The debate on Facebook
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To know anna and his so called fight against graft, you must read on this of my blog, saimhashmi.blogspot.com I m hoping that it could give you some further insight to debate this issue till its reasonable conclusion. Thanx..
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